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#1 Tkulp

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Posted 13 December 2021 - 11:47 PM

God put a new concept in my mind today to share on this forum.

 

What is Anti - Grace? Is there such a thing??

 

In order to understand anti - grace you must understand "True Grace".

 

I see two different definitions for grace in the Bible.

 

The OT according to the Strong's Greek and Hebrew Dictionary defines Grace as "graciousness, that is, subjectively (kindness, favor) or objectively (beauty)".

 

I see this definition of grace  under the old covenant of the Law of Moses chiseled in stone.

 

Jesus came to fulfill the Law. God now looks on our minds and what we meditate on before it actually becomes a legal action. Jeremiah 31:33 says "I will put My law within them, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they will be My people."

 

Is this possibly the reason for the NT addition to the definition and understanding of a new covenant kind of "Grace"???

 

Here is the Strong's NT definition for God's Grace. Grace, "graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude):"

It is from this definition of NT "Grace" that the word "Anti Grace" came to my mind.

 

Here is the definition which is the opposite or the definition which is totally against God's Divine Influence in our hearts and minds which is "Real Grace".

 

Anti-Grace

Un-graciousness or crudeness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the world’s influence upon the feelings, the will and even the intellect, and the reflection of the world, consequently, in the life; including dissatisfaction and rebellion):


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Posted 18 December 2021 - 09:04 PM

I never thought of grace and anti-grace before, however if you’ve dealt with Narcissism I think that would get you into the neighborhood if not precise location. I see it as Ahab and Jezebel, or as in Carly Simons song “You’re so vain” (about 1970ish).

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Posted 19 December 2021 - 04:21 PM

Thanks for your reply. I may be a little old fashion or just plan slow to understand, I am sorry but I am not able to follow your thoughts.

 

As to Narcissism, it is a tool of our soul's enemy. It would tend to be the root of most all of societies battles.

 

James says, in chapter 3,  verses 14-16,  ...if you have bitter jealousy and selfishness in your hearts, do not boast and tell lies against the truth. Such wisdom does not come from above but is earthly, natural, demonic. For where there is jealousy and selfishness, there is disorder and every evil practice.

 

The root that I see in God's Grace is His kindness to those that do not deserve it in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ. The reality that Christ's Spirit can take up permanent residence in these shells of clay here and now on this earth.

 

Sadly for most people that is not a reality because they are like Ahab and his wife controlled by their lower nature, the natural man. They live under the influences of this world pleasures striving to satisfy their selfish cravings. (They love darkness rather than the Light!!)

 

In order to experience the Divine influence you MUST die to selfishness and the influences that natural man will drag you into and under.

 

You must be born again into the newness and reality, with fruit to establish the fact, of the presence of Jesus Christ being produce in your life. The fruit of the Spirit as opposed to the works of the flesh.

 

Maybe that is what you were saying???? That is what the Bible says to me, anyway, even if I may have missed your point.


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Posted 29 December 2021 - 06:46 PM

I guess in a nutshell I’d call narcissism simply anti-grace. I haven’t seen a narcissist do anything with unselfish grace let alone Godly grace.
It’s all about them.
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Posted 02 January 2022 - 12:07 PM

Grace to me is getting what you don't deserve.  This is the grace of Christ. 

Like mercy, which is not getting what you do deserve.  This is the mercy of God.

 

I believe grace goes against the antichrist in the world today which no one except the redeemed through Holy Spirit receive.  So, maybe antigrace, in the context of God's Riches At Christ's Expense, is really antichrist in some form.

 

FIreweed, this is a very interesting topic to me, and one that hits home right now.  A very godly, close friend has been married to a narcissistic Christian man for almost 30 years and recently separated.  I understand the definition of this word in it's pure definition, but really it's just sin is it not?  Just as Satan had pride that got him removed from the host of angels who served God.  Satan said, "I will be like the most high".  "I will", "I", "I", "I".

 

A narcissist gets away with whatever they want as they manipulate their target.  It seems almost like an addiction in it's form where the narcissist has been overtaken by this.  We all have had narcissistic traits here and there as part of our fallen nature (IMO).

 

Extremely insecure, they:

Have an over inflated sense of self -- elevated like Satan

They are always right; never wrong

They insist on having their way - Satan again

They eventually become verbally, emotionally, physically and maybe even spiritually abusive - Satan again

They will get people on their side against the person who is their target -Satan again, I'll stop for now

They like to be the victim

They want to look good, hiding their darkness

They are the master and commander.  The narcisistic Christian man may insist his wife must obey, never looking at the scriptures as they truely are which means mutual submission. 

They use the Word of God as a weapon

They fail to see that they have done anything wrong.

 

The list goes on and on

 

My friend's husband was once a PASTOR!  He is the man who insisted his wife submit to his every command and would criticize her in front of her children and anyone else.  Everything would be ok if she just did what he said. She did and it was never ok.

 

It led to his own psychosis...dangerous.

 

I have never seen a more faithful and submitted wife.  He got so bad, he told her he was going to kill her and chased her -- thankfully, she got out of the house. She left with nothing.  She still has nothing.  He told her to divorce him as he does not want that on his conscience.  He cares not about what he has done to her and his children, who are all grown now.  She had no choice.  He gave her no choice. I feared, and still fear, for her life when she finally goes to the house to get her things.  

 

There are "Christian Narcissists".  Fireweed is right, it's anti-grace.  I hope he repents and is really saved.  God only knows.

 

Hope this helps.  I'm a bit worked up over it. God is good; man is not.

 

Be warned and stay away from them.

Candice



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Posted 10 October 2022 - 04:01 PM

ANTI-GRACE? Interesting discussion. Since Grace is a fact and most of us here have felt it, seen its effect, know who gives it, and are forever greatful for it, to deny it is really an act done by a soul that simply does not, or cannot grasp the concept of a loving God. God loves His man that He made for a companion and will suspend a sentence of death if we accept the news that Jesus is His Son and that He died to give us an eternal pardon. Similar to a convict on death row, facing death, to deny that a government official can release him from the death sentence. A convict that would refuse a pardon, if offered, is simply not showing good sense. He might then be called"anti-pardon"? To not accept the pardon is not to say that pardons do not exist or that he cannot get one, but saying "I simply don`t want to have life although it is a free gift".