We had a speaker into our Church years ago from Toronto Ontario who was a x biker that got saved. He had a ministry to prostitutes, he would get them off the streets and put them in his safe house then minister to them. I asked him after the service what he would do if a pimp came by and tried to force himself in to get his girl back what would he do. He responded It has happened and I beat him up and threw him out and called the police. As Solomon said there is a time and a place for everything.
Safety at places of worship
Posted 08 February 2020 - 11:44 AM
If I were to beat someone up, without being in a place of governmental authority, I have taken the law into my own hands, tried them and passed sentence on them according to my self-righteousness. What ever I do to them, I have then carried out the punishment for what I determined to be their crime, their breaking of what I determine to be right and wrong.
I am doing what Isaiah calls kindling or lighting my own fire, not waiting on the Lord.
"Who is among you who fears the LORD, Who obeys the voice of His Servant, Yet who walks in darkness and has no light? Let him trust and be confident in the name of the LORD and let him rely on his God.
Listen carefully, all you who kindle your own fire [devising your own man-made plan of salvation], Who surround yourselves with torches, Walk by the light of your [self-made] fire And among the torches that you have set ablaze. But this you will have from My hand: You will lie down in [a place of] torment." [Isa. 66:24]
If I were to shoot and kill someone, I have sealed their eternal fate, as well, most likely to eternal punishment.
Is this the love that we find taught in the Bible? Is this the
modern historic concept of getting people saved (delivered)? The crusades, inquisition, etc. did the same types of actions.
All of the following is quoted from the Amplified Bible. The highlighting, of making words bold and underlining, is mine.
Rom 12:18-21 If possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave the way open for God's wrath [and His judicial righteousness]; for it is written [in Scripture], "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord. [Deu. 32:35]
BUT IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM; IF HE IS THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK; FOR BY DOING THIS YOU WILL HEAP BURNING COALS ON HIS HEAD." [Pro. 25:21-22]
Do not be overcome and conquered by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Act 14:18-22 Even saying these words, with difficulty they prevented the people from offering sacrifices to them.
But Jews arrived from Antioch and Iconium, and having won over the crowds, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, thinking he was dead. [2Co. 11:25; 2Ti. 3:11]
But the disciples formed a circle around him, and he got up and went back into the city; and the next day he went on with Barnabas to Derbe.
They preached the good news to that city and made many disciples, then they returned to Lystra and to Iconium and to Antioch, strengthening and establishing the hearts of the disciples; encouraging them to remain firm in the faith, saying, "It is through many tribulations and hardships that we must enter the kingdom of God."
2Co 11:23-27 Are they [self-proclaimed] servants of Christ?--I am speaking as if I were out of my mind--I am more so [for I exceed them]; with far more labors, with far more imprisonments, beaten times without number, and often in danger of death.
Five times I received from the Jews thirty-nine lashes. [Deu. 25:3] Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have spent adrift on the sea; many times on journeys, [exposed to] danger from rivers, danger from bandits, danger from my own countrymen, danger from the Gentiles, danger in the city, danger in the wilderness, danger on the sea, danger among those posing as believers; in labor and hardship, often unable to sleep, in hunger and thirst, often [driven to] fasting [for lack of food], in cold and exposure [without adequate clothing].
But understand this, that in the last days dangerous times [of great stress and trouble] will come [difficult days that will be hard to bear].
For people will be lovers of self [narcissistic, self-focused], lovers of money [impelled by greed], boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane, [and they will be] unloving [devoid of natural human affection, calloused and inhumane], irreconcilable, malicious gossips, devoid of self-control [intemperate, immoral], brutal, haters of good, traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of [sensual] pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of [outward] godliness (religion), although they have denied its power [for their conduct nullifies their claim of faith].
Avoid such people and keep far away from them. For among them are those who worm their way into homes and captivate morally weak and spiritually-dwarfed women weighed down by [the burden of their] sins, easily swayed by various impulses, always learning and listening to anybody who will teach them, but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Just as Jannes and Jambres [the court magicians of Egypt] opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, unqualified and worthless [as teachers] in regard to the faith. [Exo. 7:11] But they will not get very far, for their meaningless nonsense and ignorance will become obvious to everyone, as was that of Jannes and Jambres.
2 Timothy 3:1-9
Posted 08 February 2020 - 12:44 PM
If someone was breaking into your house and they were not going to stop like what was happening to this guy because it was his personnel residence as well as a safe house, you would not try to stop him? I am afraid you are Religious and have not been redeemed because you are very judgmental, and you are part of the reason people have not been writing in. I wonder how effective your ministry is are you bringing more converts to your religion or are they being brought to complete reliance to Christ you know the pharisees and you have a lot in common. I know I should not attack people on this site and I could lose my membership but I am sick of your attacks.
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Posted 11 February 2020 - 06:05 PM
Posted 11 February 2020 - 10:00 PM
The Second Presbyterian Church of Memphis recently updated theirs and I`m sure they would share it with you. There are a lot of "moving parts" to P&P, so a plan is lengthy but can be implemented in stages. Most of the lectures and training is in how to defuse situations that arise, without the use of any weapons. Medical events, severe weather events, as well as loud boisterous people who just need to be gently controlled and escorted outside if needed.
Posted 17 February 2020 - 06:25 AM
I have noticed over the years that normally the loud voice is the voice of satan while the voice of the Lord is a still quiet voice of peace.
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