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#1 Kenny

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 04:10 PM

I am putting together this thread to express my thoughts on these modern times in which we live. Feel free to comment and ad your own thoughts. 

 

And don't forget to come back because new thoughts based on my perceptions of the times in which we currently live will be posted on a regular basis.

 

So here is the first installment . . . 

 

In this day in age it's getting tougher to distinguish the saved from the lost, because those who profess to be saved look and act more and more like the world through compromising with the world.

 

 

Scripture says: Love not the world … If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him 1 John 2:15

 

and: 

 

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 04:19 AM

This morning I am merely going to express my thoughts through the words of others 

 

“If you have any spiritual perception at all, I need not state that in our generation and in every community, large or small, there are churches existing merely as monuments of what they use to be. The glory has departed." (Whatever Happened To Worship? - A.W. Tozer)

 

“Every age has it’s own characteristics . Right now we are in an age of religious complexity. The simplicity which is in Christ is rarely found among us. In its stead are programs, methods, organizations and a world of nervous activities which occupy time and attention but can never satisfy the longing of the heart.”  (A. W. Tozer)

 

"Our churches no longer have the power of God to attract the people. They go down to Egypt, borrow its music, its dancing, it's entertainment, hoping for a crowd! No passion for souls - just crowds! Church growth at any cost! Look at the average church bulletin; it looks like a theater calendar". (Dave Wilkerson – Times Square Pulpit Series – The Great Apostasy – May 7, 1986)

 

"The reason most preaching is ignored today is that it deserves to be." - Alistair Begg


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 05:37 AM

Here’s how the argument usually goes: 

 

We are in the End Days.

 

Puleeze! There have been worse times. 

 

So, okay, let’s admit that there haven’t been any eras where humans haven’t treated other humans in inhumane ways as long as they can get away with it. It’s part of the human archetype–the fallen state. Therefore, universally similar deplorable human circumstances exist, regardless of the era. What is the litmus test, then, for determining better or worse? Is it material things? Is it fame, fortune, comfort, security, happiness? 

 

No doubt the answer will be as individual as there are individuals. For me it lies not in what I think we have gained but rather in what I see we have lost. Those who tout modern convenience, commonly perceived elevated life-style, sexual liberty and extended life as the argument for this being the best era ever, do not see what I see.

 

What I see is mounting fear–fear of nearly everything. Fear of rising violent crime, ever overreaching intrusion of government into the minutia of our daily lives. I see fear of speaking even the most mundane opinions or words lest one might offend another, fear of allowing children to play outside in their own neighborhoods or walk or ride their bikes to school. Fear of doing anything without mandated protective gear, straps, padding, helments. Fear of being molested and humiliated for simply trying to board an airplane. Fear of our every move being watched and videoed, recorded and monitored. Fear of breaking rules or laws that we don’t even know exist. Fear of trusting anyone, especially our neighbors. Fear of being “de-friended”.

 

I’ve lived long enough to remember that, while life ten, twenty, thirty years ago was not in any way perfect, and provided many things for the average human to worry about, there was once less general fear. Hope and dreams and the freedom to pursue personal interests took precedence. Being “safe” was less important than being free to take risks because risk was something entirely different from simply walking to your car in the dark. 

 

For all the ongoing problems of living day to day, there was a better, healthier balance between things to worry about and things to be optimistic over. There was an unspoken baseline of acceptable social behavior that allowed for a common trust between humans in all manner of interactions. When the state of being fearful and worried becomes the normal condition of the general population to the point of living in constant angst, second guessing every move or hindering the spirit of standing on a principal, something is very wrong and leads one to conclude that, indeed, something wicked does this way come–and maybe is already here. 

 

And then there is the decline of general intelligence. For all our high tech innovations, speed of communication and instant access to information, humankind seems to be losing ground in terms of general knowledge, common sense, logic, problem-solving, self-sufficiency and overall ability to think critically. The advantage of modern living is modern convenience, but it is a very bad trade-off for the downside which is capitulation of real intelligence to digitized artificial intelligence, all the while believing that this is smart. 

 

My conclusion: I can say that, if only attributing it strictly to the creature comforts of this modern age, I am better off materially speaking, at least for the moment, until someone decides that what I have ought to be given to someone else. Where I am not better off is in my spirit as I grieve for the substantive things lost and/or replaced with the hollow, intelligence-reversing, soul-killing, shallow decadent flesh pleasing substitutions that hold hostage the focus of this contemporary world and that have contributed to giving us longer, comfortable lives even as they simultaneously have generated a new fear-based culture striped of its ability to reason outside of the boundaries of Group Feel.

 

For the record I do believe this is the last era and I have good reason from very personal experience. I do not believe the Body is slated to be removed before hell is unleashed on earth and so we face a great unknown about what that might mean. How we die seems to be of less importance to our Almighty Father than where we are in His grace when we draw our last breath. 

 

The upside is knowing that when you belong to Christ, you are in this world but not of this world. It’s in this hiding place where there is no fear and I can reside here confident that no matter how bad it might get, no matter what suffering is just ahead, better is coming.

 

This was today’s Vance Havner devotional. Coincidence?

 

No Place to Hide? 

Thou art my hiding place.
Psalm 32:7. 

Your life is hid with Christ in God.
Colossians 3:3.

A little girl, distressed over world conditions, wrote to a magazine editor for advice. He replied, “Let the reader grit her wisdom teeth. There is no hiding place.”

It is a sad commentary on our vaunted civilization that, for all our education, science, invention, and boasted progress, we are looking for a hole in the ground in which to hide from our own devices. The theme of books and articles by, of all people, scientists is, “No Place To Hide.”

But there is a hiding place. Not in a “refuge of lies” (Isa. 28:15, 17) such as we devise rather than face God. “Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him?” (Jer. 23:24). Not in rocks and mountains (Rev. 6:15-17). God is our refuge. The only way to hide from His Presence is in His Presence.

In the secret of His Presence

How my soul delights to hide.

He is the Haven of Rest, the Shelter in Time of Storm.

 

Jesus Lover of my soul,
Let me to Thy bosom fly.

Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in Thee


We need a refuge from the pride of man and the strife of tongues, and we may find both in the secret of His Presence (Ps. 31:20). There is a Hiding Place!


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:46 AM

Gimme that Showtime Religion

Can the church fight apathy and materialism by feeding people's appetite for entertainment? Evidently many in the church believe the answer is yes, as church after church jumps on the show-business bandwagon. It is a troubling trend that is luring many otherwise orthodox churches away from biblical priorities.

Church buildings are being constructed like theatres. Instead of a pulpit, the focus is a stage. Some feature massive platforms that revolve or rise and fall, with colored lights and huge sound boards. Shepherds are giving way to media specialists, programming consultants, stage directors, special effects experts, and choreographers.

The idea is to give the audience what they want. Tailor the church service to whatever will draw a crowd. As a result pastors are more like politicians than shepherds, looking to appeal to the public rather than leading and building the flock God gave them.

The congregation is served a slick, professional show, where drama, pop music, and maybe a soft-sell sermon constitute the worship service. But the emphasis isn't on worship, it's on entertainment.

Underlying this trend is the notion that the church must sell the gospel to unbelievers. Churches thus compete for the consumer on the same level as Frosted Flakes or Miller Lite. More and more churches are relying on marketing strategy to sell the church.

That philosophy is the result of bad theology. It assumes that if you package the gospel right, people will get saved. 

 

What I posted is a portion of an article from John MacArthur



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Posted 23 February 2014 - 09:32 AM

Agree. We were in this type of seeker sensitive church 10 years ago. Our church in Cali ( before coming to Wy) even went to opening in prayer with Tibetan bells!! Satan uses whatever works wherever it works

I'm heading towards the flying solo plan as I type this on my way to "church" with a much in need of turning from my bad ways for fear I'll clobber the arrogant Calvinist teacher who preaches works. Yes, as James exhorts we must be doers too. Got it. But the guilt trip to dig for Jesus is too much. Feel like calling him on the fact that he is on the termination list at the high school for being overtly lazy not teaching and even photos of him sleeping in class. Want him to turn around so he doesn't make Christ look bad. I need to forgive his overt arrogance and the only way is to keep going to his class to silently love and overcome my distain which is sin and to be kind and forgive and ask God to bind the offenses of Satan who's getting a foot solidly in the church door and aiming for me.

Please pray this guy is convicted by the Spirit and repudiates this double -minded ness as his reputation is rampant and spreading. Pray for Gods will be done and grace to see it to His good intentions

Bless your day
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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:47 AM

"If you want to see quick results, the preaching of the Word just might not be the way to go. If you are going to find results in terms of statistics, numbers, and visible response, it just might be that there are other mechanisms, other programs, and other means that will produce that faster. The question is whether it produces Christians." - Al Mohler


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:58 AM

 The times in which we live.  Today, while it is called Today, I am going to push away from me, anything that is not wholesome to a Christian whose desire is to be pleasing to God, without trying to work work work until he feels that he has worked hard enough that God FINALLY .....MIGHT....be smiling at him.

  Today, I will endeavor to do more things that are good and wholesome for a relationship with Jesus to flourish. If this means that one might be inconvenienced, then let Loving God with all my heart, mind, soul, strength, and neighbor as myself be the choice I make, rather than kicking back when chores are done, and flipping on an episode of Sherlock (Bristish TV show) and first reading and meditating on a paragraph from LUKE (not to try and satiate God or trick Him into thinking that I am really ON TOP OF THINGS) because God knows the heart.

   Goodness, I just went back and read that and realized that it wouldn't make sense to anyone (likely) unless you were me. (ADHD???..lol)    Anyway......I am going to stop and push POST and then go pray for all of my fellow Forum members. Someone other than myself.   All of this....practically speaking......is how I am going to face the times in which we live. (excerpt from Kevin Blankenship)


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:34 PM

The times in which we live.  Today, while it is called Today, I am going to push away from me, anything that is not wholesome to a Christian whose desire is to be pleasing to God, without trying to work work work until he feels that he has worked hard enough that God FINALLY .....MIGHT....be smiling at him.
  Today, I will endeavor to do more things that are good and wholesome for a relationship with Jesus to flourish. If this means that one might be inconvenienced, then let Loving God with all my heart, mind, soul, strength, and neighbor as myself be the choice I make, rather than kicking back when chores are done, and flipping on an episode of Sherlock (Bristish TV show) and first reading and meditating on a paragraph from LUKE (not to try and satiate God or trick Him into thinking that I am really ON TOP OF THINGS) because God knows the heart.
   Goodness, I just went back and read that and realized that it wouldn't make sense to anyone (likely) unless you were me. (ADHD???..lol)    Anyway......I am going to stop and push POST and then go pray for all of my fellow Forum members. Someone other than myself.   All of this....practically speaking......is how I am going to face the times in which we live. (excerpt from Kevin Blankenship)

 

Kevin,

I'll take any prayers you have to give.  I'm laughing so hard at your comment (bolded).  I can relate.  Blessings, Candice



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 07:21 AM

"These are the days of the lukewarm church and, unfortunately, much of the preaching is lukewarm as well.
It’s neither hot nor cold, it’s just room temperature because the pastor doesn’t want to turn the temperature up
in the room and upset any of his hearers."
 
E. A. Johnston, Ten Mistakes of Modern Evangelism, 


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:14 AM

"Many Christians have what we might call a "cultural holiness" They adapt to the character and behavior pattern of Christians around them. As the Christian culture around them is more or less holy, so these Christians are more or less holy. But God has not called us to be like those around us. He has called us to be like Himself." - Jerry Bridges