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[Candice]

As not to be redundant, my prayer request post this morning makes me wonder when you just turn from people, including family? My understanding of scripture is that turning away from family (unsaved) is worse than being an unbeliever. Am I taking this right? If I turned my back on my husband's family, my husband would certainly turn his back on me. He is Irish-loyal and clannish to the core. But, my son is struggling and I can't take (watching or my own tolerance of the drug and alcohol abuse that is rampant. Yet.....

Keep abortion legal signs at the family business office sort of seemed like the sign that dusting off the sandals, so to speak, might be the Lord's own mandate for us - or does the Lord require family loyalty? "Whoever loves ...mother, brother, sister more than me....is not worthy of me..." seems so counter to the previous verse. Perhaps I am misunderstanding or decontextualizing these verses.

[Ginger]

Candice ....asking that God bless you so very much and thank you for your shares.  Just going to write what comes and trust God for it asking that 'we' be given awareness of His peace to us in all these things about our family members.  It is hard for me to share specifics about family circumstances because I do want to respect others and not sound off inappropriately.  So I ask for godly wisdom and will just trust that being honest here is not grumbling, gossiping, or glossing over sin.  I learned some shocking things and did not do well...

 

I messed up and fretting about grandsons' is not helping me except to ask for forgiveness for getting angry and saying to one that I was angry but used an unsavory word that gran1 had not heard me say before... Salvation of grandsons' matters the most and the ages range from 27-13.... the youngest spoke to me about being an atheist at Thanksgiving visit... did not make me thankful and by Christmas I was doing my best to not let my mouth overload the rest of me... Only God can draw my grandsons and I don't want to make things any worse ... So very thankful for Precious daughter... and that she is a believer....

 

Over the holidays it can be really hard to deal with the beliefs of others that are so blatant.  A woman who has a husband that is a Christian can be in uneasy situations when it comes to the bottom line.  What is the bottom line?  Love and submission ... hmmm....  I just will pray that your husband will be energized by the Holy Spirit to address whatever God's will for him is regarding his family members and that God's tender mercies, grace, and protection be keeping you as you keep close to Him and him because you have shared enough that I believe you honor your husband as head and Christ as your husband's head.   

 

...Will continue to pray for your son and for your peace of mind and an abundance of Holy Spirit covering all of us and our mouths be governed by the Holy Spirit especially when we are interacting with unbelievers.  .... Wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove ... O Lord I need your grace and forgiveness for messing up so often....

 

God knows where I fail and need Him to intervene with grandchildren and when in others' home. 

 

Just feel for you and asking a special moment by moment blessing for you, and for all of us.

 

I have been struggling with self over stuff and letting go is not usually easy; but today God is gracing me with His peace over 'my stuff' and giving me what to do in incremental baby steps.  Just getting a wee task done can be graced.... God KNOWS how to help each of us right were we are... Your circumstances and mine are not the same at all... seems that you are doing a lot and that I do very little... and I do laugh at myself now about how my mind goes toward self-incrimination before awareness of His grace in this moment.... Moment by Moment, Second by Second... This Second... 5 minutes ago is gone and 5 minutes from now.... well, God KNOWS....

 

Love and prayers,

In Christ's love,

Ginger

[Big John]

Candice,
 
I hear what you are saying and do, actually, feel your pain.  I believe that my perspective on this topic has changed (evolved) over the years. It is indeed possible that I have become somewhat lazy but I don't think so and my Mom, I know, would agree with me.

Before I go into my thoughts I want to share something Phil Robertson (Duck Dynasty)said this past week. And I thought he said it very well. This is paraphrased from memory. I'm a people lover. Its my job to love people, share the love of God and let God do the rest. Its not my job to judge people. Thats His job and is way above my pay grade.

I thought this was right on. This especially applies to the unsaved. Its not my job to convince anyone. And I am also not afraid of them corrupting me or mine. That too is Gods job. We develop a relationship with God and learn His word for our own life. Its not for someone elses life. We just live in the joy, love and truth and if its making a difference for us, others will see it. Most "witnesses" that I know haven't got anything I would ever want in my life. They may be saved but they are more afraid of the devil and evil communication than they are enraptured with Jesus. And that becomes pretty obvious to most. But is often not so obvious to the witness.

Allowing God to work in our lives and let His grace fill us is the best way to reach others. People are looking for peace and rest and its hard to display that unless God has had a chance to work it into our lives. Unfortunately, that takes time. Time on our knees, time in the Word and, especially, time for Him to work over our natural nature.

Zechariah 13:9 (but the whole chapter is awesome)
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

This is all to bring us to the end of ourselves. That is when we start to become a witness. Paul called on us as ambassadors and people think that means we are all representatives of the Lord. The word there for ambassadors relates to the idea of a senior representative. Someone with standing at court with whomever sent him. Too many people, me included, think too highly of themselves and assume we have the right and responsibility to save those around us. That is sheer nonsense. Jesus saves and maybe we have a chance to have some small hand in it.

Prayer for our loved ones and a loviing and giving spirit from us, is all that is required. And thats all that might be of affect, as well.

The unsaved definitely don't need us to quote the law to them. Regardless of how callous they are, God has given everyone a conscience that accuses them of their wrong. They sure don't need us to remind them. Our personal peace and grace will have far more affect. One brief anecdote. I used to work in a position where I talked and worked with the public all day, every day. And I would tell stories and joke with absolutely everyone. The guy who worked on the other side of a partion, one day, popped up and with exasperation, said "Don't you EVER have a bad day!!" I just said I never thought about it and said "I guess not" and laughed.

As usual I start to ramble. Just saying God just wants us to have love, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost. If you have that, some people will see and inquire. Most will not. So if someone is on your heart, the real key is prayer. God WILL move when we really appeal to Him. I know it.

Take care, God bless and a safe trip home.

Big John

[chipped china]

So well said Big John. Sometimes we know this wisdom but need someone else to write it plainly and with clarity. Showing His agape love in us draws people to wanting what we have.

I also liked not being afraid of the devil. The Lord wants us in the world but not to be of the world. If we know we are sealed in the Holy Spirit then we have nothing to fear. John 10 28-29. And it's such a heavy weight off our shoulders to know God is control, all we need to do is be empty vessels and let Him fill us up with Love.

 

Thank you Lord for your servant Big John.

[Ginger]

Thanking God for what Big John, Betsy and Candice have posted.
 
Seems to me that I am so full of self that it would be a real wonder if anyone could see Jesus, so how could I be a witness of anything besides what not to do? Reckon most things are more than I can comprehend besides Jesus dying for my sins.  His righteousness is given to me and this is way over my head. 
 
As for blaming or fearing the devil... well, I tend to forget about the devil except in a broad sense or when reading Scriptures about him... O thank God for Jesus defeating the devil at the cross. 
 
Going to post the link where I downloaded Nancy Missler's audios on The Way of Agape and   Be Ye Transformed.  Listening to these audios little by little interspersed with other audios ... I have a tendency to go to Chuck Missler's audios  and other commentaries when some Scripture references are given ... and read the post on the CMA forum... and hold onto hope ... trying to remember that Jesus is my hope... and all else because for my part I recall Romans 7 and the full Serenity Prayer... and whatever Scripture that pops into mind... like now it's John 17... Jesus is our High Priest... think I need to think and pray on John 17:3 for a bit... O Lord Jesus please help me to grasp your Word and treasure Your Word... treasure You.... please help and thank you...
 
God bless each of you and please pray for me... and I do miss Lori and some of the others' who've not been posting ... God be with each person filling His will and purposes... in His time and in His way....
 
Love and prayers,
In Christ's love,
Ginger
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Links that may be useful or helpful.  Please forgive me if this is too long ...
 
Chuck Missler - expositional commentaries on the Bible

http://www.freewebs....diesmp3file.htm
 
http://server.firefi...1998catalog.asp
To Walk in Love and Truth #1 - Nancy Missler 00033.mp3
To Walk in Love and Truth #2 - Nancy Missler 00034.mp3

The Way of Agape #1 - Nancy Missler 00460.mp3
The Way of Agape #2 - Nancy Missler 00461.mp3
The Way of Agape #3 - Nancy Missler 00462.mp3
The Way of Agape #4 - Nancy Missler 00463.mp3
The Way of Agape #5 - Nancy Missler 00464.mp3
The Way of Agape #6 - Nancy Missler 00465.mp3
The Way of Agape #7 - Nancy Missler 00466.mp3
The Way of Agape #8 - Nancy Missler 00467.mp3
Be Ye Transformed #1 - Nancy Missler 00468.mp3
Be Ye Transformed #2 - Nancy Missler 00469.mp3
Be Ye Transformed #3 - Nancy Missler 00470.mp3
Be Ye Transformed #4 - Nancy Missler 00471.mp3
Be Ye Transformed #5 - Nancy Missler 00472.mp3
Be Ye Transformed #6 - Nancy Missler 00473.mp3
Be Ye Transformed #7 - Nancy Missler 00474.mp3
Be Ye Transformed #8 - Nancy Missler 00475.mp3

[ADVRider]

I like what Big John had to say, but I did not read your prayer request, so I am going to speculate a bit from what you wrote here. The little that I gather, your tolerance level of your relatives (if I can put it that way) is a good bit different from your husband's. And other the little that was shared, I do not know much about the behavior you are speaking of or the influence you feel the relatives have over your family. John's advice definitely applies either way, but while we are called to love and not try to force salvation on anyone, in the same vein, we are not obligated to forego sensible boundaries.

 

Candice, you and your husband have to talk about your concerns as best you can. Is there a possibility you expect too much of the relatives and your husband too little? I mean in terms of respect for you. I guess all I am trying to say is they are going to be who they are. You are not obligated to hang around them if it is difficult, but then you have to work it out with your husband. I know I am not helping much here, but I think you'll have to live with whatever boundaries can work for you and your husband.

[Candice]

I appreciate all of the words of wisdom shared here!

It is difficult to verbalized because once I say all that is going on, it sounds judgmental. I think my attitude is worse. I believe I just have no way of dealing with this when in it. It is akin to going to a park and having a family picnic with all this verses joining them on an opium den! Ok. I can go to the park and be with them, but not be IN the situation. Seems reasonable to me. I guess I do not know The Lord the way I ought to or trust Him enough to sit in the room while people andsmoke dope and drink from flasks. Transgender stuff to deal with. It is a huge bag to deal with. Ok I am weak. I am no better without Christ. My heart is faint. I am loving. Took one to get her cell phone fixed as she is not allowed to drive. Just trying to help as God leads and be quiett

My husband reverts to old ways of drinking etc if I don't set limits. He has not done it so far but my stomach is in knots

Thanks for understanding

Candice

[Ginger]

Candice, read your prayer in another post and now back here... Will continue to pray.... You are strong enough because Christ is in you and I being human can pray and also have some protective feelings toward you... my bad thought would not help you and lets me know how weak I am and that is okay too cos the LORD will help me to pray for you until you get back home... and my human tendencies can be surrendered as needed... it is good to read that you are being kind .... understand about how a person reverts ... the family dynamic is what it is.... know that a person can be okay and as soon as they enter in where the old family is they get caught up in whatever.... will keep praying and asking for your protection and health... and your husband's and your son's... Don't know how God is going to use this for your husband's good but God will use it and will pray for your son some more too... And for your husband's mother and the rest of the people... asking for God's grace ... coming down from the Father above to sweep over your spirit with fathomless billows of love.... and to have his healing and calming virtue flood all that is needing a washing and healing ... well... I go read and pray and hush... need to be more focused on the Word... or listen to audio to override some stuff afore I can do much as a pray-er....  Reckon I understand in part what you are dealing with situationally...  few years back had 10 days of being with loved ones and it was not easy... But it was a walk in the park compared to what you've been dealing with...

Edited by Ginger, 27 December 2013 - 06:56 PM.

[chipped china]

Candice,

I returned yesterday from visiting my family. For the most part it was a blessing because my dad and younger sister/family are believers. But my 90 year old dad remarried in 2006 after my mom died. His wife is 85. When I arrived Monday night she was so stinking drunk I thought she was going to fall down. Apparently, she was stressed and wanted me to persuade my dad to move into a retirement center from the old family home. It made me pretty uncomfortable and I had to struggle to understand what she was really saying. The bottom line is it's all about greed and money. I ended up telling her that it was between her and dad. I frankly think he'd be happier dying at home with his family surrounding him. I have been turning it over to God, only once in a while it pokes it's ugly head again. I will trust God with this, and keep turning it over to Him until He has cleansed my mind and heart.

[Candice]

Candice,
I returned yesterday from visiting my family. For the most part it was a blessing because my dad and younger sister/family are believers. But my 90 year old dad remarried in 2006 after my mom died. His wife is 85. When I arrived Monday night she was so stinking drunk I thought she was going to fall down. Apparently, she was stressed and wanted me to persuade my dad to move into a retirement center from the old family home. It made me pretty uncomfortable and I had to struggle to understand what she was really saying. The bottom line is it's all about greed and money. I ended up telling her that it was between her and dad. I frankly think he'd be happier dying at home with his family surrounding him. I have been turning it over to God, only once in a while it pokes it's ugly head again. I will trust God with this, and keep turning it over to Him until He has cleansed my mind and heart.

Oh Betsy, I hear what you are saying by being put in the middle. And, I can't imagine anyone 85 years old being able to drink let alone be that intoxicated. I know your sister's husband died a year or so ago and that would add to the mix of sadness. I hope your sister and her kids are healing and will continue on with Christ to overcome.

One of my mother-in-law's caregivers is 61, in bad shape and told me tonight that she has to go next door for a drink with a relative throughout the day just to get through the day. All members come to me to complain. Why they don't go to my husband is beyond me. I just always say I'm sorry they are upset with how they feel treated by each other over her care. But, I have to be silent. Not thy my heart is right. It, as in your case, amounts to greed on several levels. I guess I must swim against the current and be willing to be salt and light but firmly limit contact that in 24 hrs has become a toxic dump. My hubby uses avoidance. Shuts down.

God knows our situations better than we. But we are human after all

Hope you get some good time with your dad since he is 90. My husbands mother is nearly 89!!

Praying now for you

Candice

[Candice]

Ginger. I covet your prayers. You have mine too and will pray tonight for your concerns with your own family

John Albert. Setting limits is really hard since they are not respected by anyone. This I have learned not to expect anything but, alas, my disappointment shows lack of maturity in Christ and my need of my faith and hope to be pruned!! Thank you for your for wise insights

Candice

[Ginger]

Candice, after reading your saying, "my disappointment shows lack of maturity in Christ and my need of my faith and hope to be pruned!!"  I thought of Jesus asking Philip a question that could be reflecting He felt some disappointment... Jesus has a feeling for our emotions and our tears too....... Seems that you are in a situation that is showing your faith and courage is in Christ... I do not understand your saying that your need of your faith or hope needed to be pruned.... maybe I'm inept... Why would our Lord prune our need of our faith or our hope when He gave it to us as a precious gift?  Maybe He shapes or reshapes our faith... like folks that have those trees ... God's trees are beautiful and I don't like the decorative pruning stuff done to rosemary plants... Rosemary is one fine medicinal herb too...

 

It seems your faith and your hope is in Christ and that your faith and your hope in Christ is being exercised and strengthened in what I'd call an ordeal.  Also seems that as you are swimming against the tide .... well, praise be to our Father, our Lord Jesus and the empowering Holy Spirit ...

 

I folded up and shut down years and years ago...  was put on disability and now, ..... well... God KNOWS... Will pray and trust God's working in us... even when as a Christian I feel like a failure ... well God gives me an opportunity to pray  and praise Him for His faithfulness and being thankful for God's Tender Mercies and God's Grace being a continual supply. 

 

Will keep praying and know that the LORD will bring all things to work for your good and your husband's good too....

I do understand about avoidance modes and shutting down... It's a lot deeper than avoiding... and also a lot more than just being lazy... Will pray on for your son too...

 

In tears and also grateful... asking for a spirit of prayer and to get up and do what I can to change the things I can...

 

Long ago it was said the only difference between us in AlAnon or CoDa was the alcoholic drank and we didn't... we all had the isms....

 

Only the blood of Jesus and His sanctifying us moment by moment keeps the Faith and the Hope in Him glowing... and I smile because it's like the Holy Spirit is doing a good stirring of my little faith and hope ... faith and hope is coming to a higher level... this old woman is praising God for the measure of faith and hope and love... what a precious gift of this moment.... for this moment .... Love lifted me ... have enough faith .... o to move a mountain... even if it's a teaspoonful at a time.... LOL... had a image of a little girl with a teaspoon digging and the Joy of the LORD was and is a beautiful sight... thank God for a wee vision of a wee girl and know it's down right symbolic... hope you understand this old regenerated woman be'n like a little girl moving a mountain with faith and a teaspoon is good enough too... maybe next time the Lord will let me see sump n else ... 4 this now moment a little child focused on what she has is plenty good enough... and a song too... this little light of mine... reckon a beginning place for maturing in prayer and homemaking ...duty call.... watch and pray.... keep the faith.....

Your sister in the Lord may sound silly ... the old lady says, O Well and smiles coz God KNOWS and I do praise Him... now can go to pray'n.... and to homemaking tasks...

 

Candice, thank you for your inspiration and your prayers  And please forgive me for blabbering so many words... in a post... I can't seem to keep it simple or just shut up....

 

Love and prayers,

Kept in Christ ....

 

Ginger

Edited by Ginger, 28 December 2013 - 10:52 AM.

[Candice]

Ginger

I am being pruned because, I know He must, in His great live for me, remove all that is not of faith and abiding in Him. Even some words of my posts here, wrong motives, a complaining spirit towards my husband about circumstances, had to go. My own faith is challenged Andy hope fades without the Spirit of God graciously taking to me with pruning sheets

True to form, I fell flat on my spiritual back side yesterday as my husband takes us out to lunch in a nearby town where we used to live. I went to a department store for about an hour. Never go since I am not a fan normally and we have none at all in Wyoming!! I spent money I knew I shouldn't have spent and feel badly. See, it is sin in me to be pruned. I got out of abiding in Him and look!! Too much temptation and it's not ok for me to allow that to enter my life. I bought cosmetics which I always buy the least expensive as I don't believe in those pricey ones. What a big lie for me to live. Ugh!!!

Ginger , thanks for your prayers!!!

[Ginger]

Candice
I do understand some about attitudes and sin and being pruned.  I thought you'd said something about your need of faith and hope being pruned ... I can't find the post and only what I copied in quotes and can't find where I copy/pasted from. 

"my disappointment shows lack of maturity in Christ and my need of my faith and hope to be pruned!!" 

 

 

30-40 years ago I was told by a person in a home church that I thought God had pruned me But God was going to prune me down to a nub.  How often do Master Gardeners prune? When is each tree, bush or plant pruned?  How are the plantings of the LORD pruned?  Vines and trees do require pruning reckon most plants need to be pruned and pruning be done with expertise.  Reckon may be a good time for me to begin a in-depth Bible study on pruning.   Sorry to not find your post where  I originally misunderstood but what you've written in the post above is good to read and pray about.  Thank you for sharing, please allow me my wee methinks.  Methinks God knows your heart and your heart attitude better than anyone.  I will pray for His tender care be it in pruning or in placing a protective covering or a shaping net.  A song comes to mind. "What will wash away my sins?  Nothing but the blood of Jesus" ... What will make me whole again? Nothing but the blood of Jesus.  Oh precious is the flow that makes me white as snow.  No other fount I know.  Nothing but the blood of Jesus.  Not looking white wash any sin can't be done. But I am questioning some things and going to pray on and ask for the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit to infuse you specifically with the knowledge God wants you to have and nothing less will do, In Jesus most holy precious name.  Humanly speaking I can speculate and opinionize about pruning, sin, or whatever else ... this don't give any glory to Our LORD... So please LORD cleanse away what is not of you for your namesake and what is Your  best for your beloved child Candice.  May only Your pruning be done as You deem it needed for your alone can be the Master Gardener. You alone are our righteousness for without Your righteousness we have none.  Without You we can do nothing.  Your will and your tending to need... And please don't allow any other but you to use pruning sheers on any of us.  Lord we ask Your will, for Your glory and for Your good pleasure and we thank You, amen.
 
In Christ's love,
Ginger

Edited by Ginger, 30 December 2013 - 02:28 AM.

[chipped china]

Wow Ginger, you go girl! You have the gift of prayer. Beautiful!! Praise God.

 

I also wanted to say to Candice that my sister and her boys are really doing very well. It's been uplifting to me to see the grace of God helping them deal with such a deep loss. My sister has a wonderful support church family and attends a grief meeting and I though I see times of sadness she is still living her life as God intended. The Lord takes care them and it's and inspiration to me. Thank you Jesus!

 

Prayers for growth and peace to everyone.

 

PS. Candice, I don't think Jesus minds if you spend money on something special once in a while. He just doesn't want you to worship that stuff. Our Lord isn't an ogre, He's your loving God that has blessed you. Just my humble opinion. If He tells you to take it back, then you should...lol

[Candice]

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Betsy,
So good to read about your sister and your nephews sticking to their faith this past year.

I will send you info privately on Homeland Security; etc orders for ammo.

It is the Forrest Service and/or BLM, not Game & Fish (sorry). Don't know why I typed that.
I've observed several SUV convoys going up the mountain past our house.

[ADVRider]

My understanding of scripture is that turning away from family (unsaved) is worse than being an unbeliever. Am I taking this right? If I turned my back on my husband's family, my husband would certainly turn his back on me. He is Irish-loyal and clannish to the core. But, my son is struggling and I can't take (watching or my own tolerance of the drug and alcohol abuse that is rampant. Yet.....

or does the Lord require family loyalty? "Whoever loves ...mother, brother, sister more than me....is not worthy of me..." seems so counter to the previous verse. Perhaps I am misunderstanding or decontextualizing these verses.

 

Candice,

 

I just read your other post. First of all, you are not taking the verse above in context. That verse refers more to abandoning responsibility (mostly in the financial sense) for one's family. But yes, there are other ways it applies too. The other verse refers more to spiritual division because of Christ. Some people will not follow Him, and in that sense, believers have to go with Jesus even if it causes a rift. We cannot make anyone go against their own will.

 

Now on the practical side, the situation you describe is pretty difficult. There may not be a "clean" solution. It seems to me someone in that family, whoever is regarded as the "elder," has to man-up, to clean it up, even if some of the siblings don't like it. I shouldn't pretend it's easy, because I am not the one there. It sounds to me like your son has the indignation, but unfortunately does not have the clout to do anything. I think it is mostly a case where someone has to exercise tough love and make the hard decisions. It sounds like there is a lot of enabling going on. You might want to let someone know that if there is illegal activity going on in your presence, you could be also held liable if you are there. I don't mean to put added stress on your mind, but it is true. I'll pray for you and your husband.

[Ginger]

John thank you for the posts you've made.  Most of the time I pray to pray and know I don't know how to pray as I ought sometimes just write a prayer hoping that it's something that can be prayed in agreement or else another will pray/write. I am praying for the prayer support of the men for Candice, her husband and her son ... usually pray for the Christian husband first.... God KNOWS and reckon it's all I know how to do for anyone who is married coz the husband has a huge responsibility prayer wise and otherwise...

 

Thank you for posting and believe the men on the forum are praying and keeping prayers going.  I do ask to not be unseemly and to have a submissive attitude and a praying spirit. 

 

Today got to look up planting of the Lord... Isaiah 61:3 and to read Matthew Henry commentary and to listen to Chuck Missler audio on the chapter and to write and ask you to pray and to share about the planting of the Lord, The beauty of His holiness  O and I went to search about  .... his train fills the temple... heard about how the hem is not just a hem like we use the word today... The hem of his garment was and may be a lot more than we know unless a study is done...

 

I'm going to time-out from posting and will continue to pray and pray/write to the Lord.

 

Betsy thank you for posting and Candice thank you too....

 

God KNOWS and I am to be quiet for 3 days and just study and seek the LORD in solitude

 

God bless each person and each situation.....

 

Love and prayers,

Ginger

[Charles Miles]

Ginger,

You and your situation are in my prayers and have been for a while. Often, when situations arise inmy life that I don`t even know enough about to pray for an answer, I turn to the "groanings" in which the Spirit prays the prayer I need to pray. I know this sounds strange to those who have never been in the "pit" of dispair and depression, but this kind of praying has been educational for me in many ways. God knows what we say in prayer before we say it, He also knows our most pressing needs, as well as what we should pray for when we do pray.....so why not turn this type of prayer over to Him through the Spirit and allow the Lord to work as He will? In some of these convoluted problems we have no idea how to solve any of them, but He does, and we don`t need to know how He plans to solve it. In my episodes, His solution was nothing I could have imagined anyway!

May God in His omnicience and love step into your problems and work as only He can work. Father, I ask you for help here that will glorify Your Holy Name.

May God bless you Ginger,

Charlie

Edited by Charles Miles, 30 December 2013 - 02:01 PM.

[Ginger]

Thank you Charlie.

Thank you for you prayer above and for your other prayers also.

God's bless you Charlie,

Ginger