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#1 tammyshalom

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 01:23 AM

i have had a best friend for almost 20yrs...for the first 10yrs she was a catholic and i a born again christian... we liked to debate the scriptures back and forth on what we believed in and why... but no matter what i said or what i showed her in the Bible, she stuck by her catholic ways....well, after 10yrs she agreed to come to church with me and she liked it...but would still continue to go to the catholic church at the same time....well, one day after going to my church i was praying to myself and asking God what to do next to try to break through this wall of hers and get her saved....we started talking again in the car and all of the sudden i just said to her---- if you can find it in the Bible where it says to pray to mary---- i will convert...... so she was excited--- she wanted to convert me--- so she went home and started studying her Bible to prove me wrong.... and guess what happened --- she started to learn the truth of Gods word..... and came to church the next week and was saved!!!!! :D im telling you this because i want to encourage you to never give up on a person being born again no matter how long it takes!!!! it took ten years for her to find and accept the truth of Gods word.... now im happy to say that she is very active in the church today and has been for yrs... and we are still best friends...

ps-- one of the first things i did after she was saved
was- go to her house and take all the catholic idols down
off her windows - doorways - and any place i could find.....lol.. :rolleyes:

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 06:16 AM

Praise God for this testimony! He is faithful to us all and this shows it yet again. Praise God for the faithfulness friends like you, tammyshalom, who lovingly present the truth and don't hold back.

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 08:28 AM

Thanks for sharing this testimony, Tammy! As a former Catholic, I am grateful that were born-again believers who didn't give up on me and who patiently and gently pointed me to the truth of God's Word. I praise God for the way you listened to the Holy Spirit, who revealed to you the most effective strategy in helping your friend to see the truth.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 01:10 AM

i have had a best friend for almost 20yrs...for the first 10yrs she was a catholic and i a born again christian... we liked to debate the scriptures back and forth on what we believed in and why... but no matter what i said or what i showed her in the Bible, she stuck by her catholic ways....well, after 10yrs she agreed to come to church with me and she liked it...but would still continue to go to the catholic church at the same time....well, one day after going to my church i was praying to myself and asking God what to do next to try to break through this wall of hers and get her saved....we started talking again in the car and all of the sudden i just said to her---- if you can find it in the Bible where it says to pray to mary---- i will convert...... so she was excited--- she wanted to convert me--- so she went home and started studying her Bible to prove me wrong.... and guess what happened --- she started to learn the truth of Gods word..... and came to church the next week and was saved!!!!! :D im telling you this because i want to encourage you to never give up on a person being born again no matter how long it takes!!!! it took ten years for her to find and accept the truth of Gods word.... now im happy to say that she is very active in the church today and has been for yrs... and we are still best friends...

ps-- one of the first things i did after she was saved
was- go to her house and take all the catholic idols down
off her windows - doorways - and any place i could find.....lol.. :rolleyes:



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Posted 28 March 2011 - 01:13 AM

Thanks for posting that encouraging testimony! My brother-in-law is Catholic too. We believing God for his salvation & not going to give up!

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 05:01 PM

Thanks for posting that encouraging testimony! My brother-in-law is Catholic too. We believing God for his salvation & not going to give up!


This testimony is great, but I hope you don't feel that unless your brother-in-law becomes an ex-Catholic, he isn't saved. The theological differences between evangelicals & Catholics are many & significant, but the most important question is whether a person understands the gospel clearly or not. Take my friend, Roger, for example. This man loves the Lord, is a prayer warrior, and has led people to faith in Christ (including a former member of mine who is an ex-Catholic. She said it's his preaching that led her to Christ, as she understood the gospel for the first time). Roger is a priest. We disagree on a number of fronts, but he is clear on the fact that Christ died for his sins, and without his relationship with the Lord, he would be lost. He believes Jesus died and rose for him, and is coming again, that all believers are part of the Body of Christ, & those who don't know Him need to be reached. Roger may be Roman Catholic, but we're proud to claim him as a brother in Christ. I don't know what the Lord has in mind for your brother-in-law, but if he comes to the place where he sees needs to give his heart to Christ and receive His salvation, your prayers have been answered.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 07:57 AM

Thanks for your comment. I understand what you are saying! One can never fully comprehend how the Lord works in these things nor can one make rigid judgments about them. Really speaking, only the Lord knows the heart of a person, eh :)

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 02:38 PM

This testimony is great, but I hope you don't feel that unless your brother-in-law becomes an ex-Catholic, he isn't saved. The theological differences between evangelicals & Catholics are many & significant, but the most important question is whether a person understands the gospel clearly or not.

Thanks for this reminder, Joel! My 80-year-old dad is a staunch Catholic who definitely understands the gospel. He clearly recognizes that he is a sinner saved by grace through Christ's death on the cross. He also believes that all followers of Jesus are part of the Body of Christ, even if they aren't Catholic (though he does believe that Protestants have gotten a lot of things wrong). So I praise God that my Catholic father is saved!

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 05:26 AM

Praise God for this testimony! He is faithful to us all and this shows it yet again. Praise God for the faithfulness friends like you, tammyshalom, who lovingly present the truth and don't hold back.



thank you marvin and everyone - i love to share this story - you know - i think that most of the time the person we think is going to be the hard one to reach is really the easiest one - i knew the friend i talked about in this story was gonna come around to salvation - but im talking about other people too -- i hear people saying " well that person is gonna be hard to reach" and things like that but alot of times thats not true because sometimes they are hurting the most and seeking true love and help that only God can give...

also people once thought i was gonna be hard to bring back to God - i was saved when little - but then backslid - and i use to sit in the back of the church when i was a teenager when sunday service was going on and set the bottom of my boot on fire....lol...the pastor at the time would just look at me and say "put it out" i could of been thrown out -- but she didn't --- it wasn't till i was about 22yrs old that i came back to God - but hey - no one gave up on me --- and look at me now...... thank you Lord!!! and every Christian out there who does not give up!

God Bless --- tammy

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 12:41 PM

im telling you this because i want to encourage you to never give up on a person being born again no matter how long it takes!!!! it took ten years for her to find and accept the truth of Gods word.... now im happy to say that she is very active in the church today and has been for yrs... and we are still best friends...
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Never give up praying for someone you have witnessed to! We won't know the effect of our witness until we reach glory. When I was finally saved, 20 long years after an evangelist witnessed to me on a train ride, I came to Jesus as I felt His arms lovingly protecting and sheltering me in His strong embrace, asking me to trust Him for the peace I so desperately needed. Which goes to show that what we do for the Lord is never in vain, because I'm sure the evangelist who witnessed to the know-it-all but desperately lost college girl I was back then was discouraged over what he must have perceived as seeds wasted on a hardened heart. I look forward to seeing him in glory and thanking him for the effect his words ultimately had. Love in Him, Laurie Collett, Saved by Grace (http://savedbygraceb...y.blogspot.com/).

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 03:40 PM

Never give up praying for someone you have witnessed to! We won't know the effect of our witness until we reach glory. When I was finally saved, 20 long years after an evangelist witnessed to me on a train ride, I came to Jesus as I felt His arms lovingly protecting and sheltering me in His strong embrace, asking me to trust Him for the peace I so desperately needed. Which goes to show that what we do for the Lord is never in vain, because I'm sure the evangelist who witnessed to the know-it-all but desperately lost college girl I was back then was discouraged over what he must have perceived as seeds wasted on a hardened heart. I look forward to seeing him in glory and thanking him for the effect his words ultimately had. Love in Him, Laurie Collett, Saved by Grace (http://savedbygraceb...y.blogspot.com/).

Hi Laurie thanks for your reply... I have an evangelism outreach at my church - how i see it is i am trying to reach atleast one soul at a time - if we have one come to the Lord then it is all worth it!!! my whole lifes work is worth it! heaven rejoices over one soul commin to salvation - so, that is my goal - and i could not go on if i didnt see it that way - my ministry has helped many- but, those who will come to the Lord as the Bible says- the Lord will call them-- i am so happy that you found the Lord and you sound so blessed - thank you.....tammy

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 11:37 AM

Hi Laurie thanks for your reply... I have an evangelism outreach at my church - how i see it is i am trying to reach atleast one soul at a time - if we have one come to the Lord then it is all worth it!!! my whole lifes work is worth it! heaven rejoices over one soul commin to salvation - so, that is my goal - and i could not go on if i didnt see it that way - my ministry has helped many- but, those who will come to the Lord as the Bible says- the Lord will call them-- i am so happy that you found the Lord and you sound so blessed - thank you.....tammy


Hi Tammy, Praise God that He has allowed you to bless many. When I get discouraged over not seeing fruit from my efforts, I remind myself that God does not require success, only obedience; that it is our job to spread the Word and the power of the Holy Spirit to bring repentance and faith to the unbelieving heart; and that we will not realize the full effect of our earthly ministry until we see Jesus face to face. Even if we are not the one whose testimony finally led to an unbeliever praying the sinner's prayer, I believe we will be rewarded for every soul for whom we played even some small part in leading them to the Lord -- a kind word or deed when they were hurting that showed them Christ's love; a word of witness even if rejected at that time; prayers or money we gave to support a missionary's evangelism. Love in Christ, Laurie Collett, Saved by Grace (http://savedbygraceb...y.blogspot.com/)

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 04:31 AM

i have had a best friend for almost 20yrs...for the first 10yrs she was a catholic and i a born again christian... we liked to debate the scriptures back and forth on what we believed in and why... but no matter what i said or what i showed her in the Bible, she stuck by her catholic ways....well, after 10yrs she agreed to come to church with me and she liked it...but would still continue to go to the catholic church at the same time....well, one day after going to my church i was praying to myself and asking God what to do next to try to break through this wall of hers and get her saved....we started talking again in the car and all of the sudden i just said to her---- if you can find it in the Bible where it says to pray to mary---- i will convert...... so she was excited--- she wanted to convert me--- so she went home and started studying her Bible to prove me wrong.... and guess what happened --- she started to learn the truth of Gods word..... and came to church the next week and was saved!!!!! :D im telling you this because i want to encourage you to never give up on a person being born again no matter how long it takes!!!! it took ten years for her to find and accept the truth of Gods word.... now im happy to say that she is very active in the church today and has been for yrs... and we are still best friends...

ps-- one of the first things i did after she was saved
was- go to her house and take all the catholic idols down
off her windows - doorways - and any place i could find.....lol.. :rolleyes:



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Posted 05 October 2011 - 04:38 AM

Christian and Catholics. There is no rite or wrong religion they are both the same meaning and have the same God. There is nothing wrong with being a Catholic and attending Mass they just have a lot of Faith in God as the Catholic Church, who decorates the Church for Him and takes Church as an important Celebration of life, He's got to love that Faith...

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 04:45 PM

Hi Tammy, Praise God that He has allowed you to bless many. When I get discouraged over not seeing fruit from my efforts, I remind myself that God does not require success, only obedience; that it is our job to spread the Word and the power of the Holy Spirit to bring repentance and faith to the unbelieving heart; and that we will not realize the full effect of our earthly ministry until we see Jesus face to face. Even if we are not the one whose testimony finally led to an unbeliever praying the sinner's prayer, I believe we will be rewarded for every soul for whom we played even some small part in leading them to the Lord -- a kind word or deed when they were hurting that showed them Christ's love; a word of witness even if rejected at that time; prayers or money we gave to support a missionary's evangelism. Love in Christ, Laurie Collett, Saved by Grace (http://savedbygraceb...y.blogspot.com/)


hi laurie -- you are right--- we never know who we have really helped bring to Christ until we get to heaven.. our seeds are very important - for without seeds - thier would be no harvest!! the Bible also talks about how we may reap what others have worked for -- the glory is Gods - if we know that we are being obedient (sp?) and doing what God wants then we are in the right place and we will have peace about it. God knows what our personal best is.. Keep planting!!! The fields are ripe for the Harvest!! we are touching lives - each day - if we know it or see it - or not...

God Bless!!! Tammy

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:38 PM

Christian and Catholics. There is no rite or wrong religion they are both the same meaning and have the same God. There is nothing wrong with being a Catholic and attending Mass they just have a lot of Faith in God as the Catholic Church, who decorates the Church for Him and takes Church as an important Celebration of life, He's got to love that Faith...


No doubt, many Catholics are believers, Jay. That's true. But as for there being "no (right) or wrong religion", the Bible is clear in its warnings about teaching "another gospel." Religion is not all the same, brother, not even within churches which claim to be Christian--whether Catholic or Protestant. Those who have believed the gospel and trusted Christ as their Savior are believers, & those who haven't done so yet are not. When a church teaches that it takes something more to be saved, according to the Bible, it's wrong.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 05:17 PM

No doubt, many Catholics are believers, Jay. That's true. But as for there being "no (right) or wrong religion", the Bible is clear in its warnings about teaching "another gospel." Religion is not all the same, brother, not even within churches which claim to be Christian--whether Catholic or Protestant. Those who have believed the gospel and trusted Christ as their Savior are believers, & those who haven't done so yet are not. When a church teaches that it takes something more to be saved, according to the Bible, it's wrong.


Various differences between Catholic church teachings and Bible-based Christianity include:

--The belief that Mary is an intercessor and mediator for our sins equivalent in position to Jesus, whereas the Bible truth is that Jesus is the only way to Heaven and to the Father, and that Mary was highly favored among women, but that she was a sinner in need of a Savior like the rest of us.

--The belief that Mary was sinless before and after the conception of Jesus by the Holy Spirit, and that she remained a virgin (the Bible teaches that she had children with Joseph after the birth of Jesus).

--The need for works (rosaries, repetitious prayers, payments to the church, etc.) as part of the way to salvation (the Bible teaches that salvation is by faith through grace alone, and not of works).

--The belief in purgatory as a place intermediate between heaven and hell, and the belief that the living can pay money (indulgences) and say prayers to get their dead loved ones moved from purgatory to heaven (the Bible teaches only heaven or hell after death, based solely on whether the person, while alive, repented of their sins and trusted Christ as the perfect sacrifice for our sins and the Savior who was crucified and buried and rose again that believers would have eternal life).

-The belief that a lay person must confess his sins to a priest to receive forgiveness (the Bible teaches that we have immediate, continuous access to God Himself through prayer).

--The belief that the above man-made doctrines supersede what is written in the Bible, and the tendency to discourage lay people from reading the Bible for themselves (the Bible stresses over and over the importance of studying, meditating on, and following God's Word, which is the sole authority and must not be changed, added to, or taken away from).

Martin Luther's realization of these and other key differences between Catholic doctrine and Bible truth are what led to the Protestant Reformation and translation of the Bible into common languages so that the lay person could read and understand Scripture for themselves.

As long as a person repents of their sins and trusts Christ as their personal Savior, they are saved and cannot lose their salvation, regardless of what church they attend. There are believers within the Catholic Church, but the doctrine that church teaches makes it difficult to have clear understanding of the Gospel of grace

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 03:25 PM

Various differences between Catholic church teachings and Bible-based Christianity include:

--The belief that Mary is an intercessor and mediator for our sins equivalent in position to Jesus, whereas the Bible truth is that Jesus is the only way to Heaven and to the Father, and that Mary was highly favored among women, but that she was a sinner in need of a Savior like the rest of us.


Marian devotion is a doctrinal issue, that's for sure, but most of the Catholics I know would dispute the use of the word "equivalent". They're more likely to say that Christ is above her as a mediator, but that Mary is most likely to convince Him to answer a person's prayers, being His human mother. I have heard Mary called a co-mediator though, as you have.

--The belief that Mary was sinless before and after the conception of Jesus by the Holy Spirit, and that she remained a virgin (the Bible teaches that she had children with Joseph after the birth of Jesus).

This is a fairly minor difference in the overall picture, & one which comes from Catholic Bible scholars translating the Greek word for brothers as cousins. The New Testament says Jesus had half-brothers (and sisters), & these scholars, "knowing" that the Greek couldn't mean that, figured it must be rendered another way. In Protestant circles, we see this with deacons, e.g. Some translators, in passages like Ro. 16:1 translate the word for deacon as servant, "knowing" that deacons are men so obviously the Bible can't mean Phoebe & other women were deacons. Rather than letting Scripture correct their view, they "correct" the translation. I doubt that your average lay Catholic, even those who read their Bibles often, know this. More likely they're simply aware that their Bible scholars say these relatives of Jesus were cousins, & He an only child. If Christ is an only child, the idea of His mother remaining a virgin following the virgin birth would be easy enough to believe.


--The need for works (rosaries, repetitious prayers, payments to the church, etc.) as part of the way to salvation (the Bible teaches that salvation is by faith through grace alone, and not of works).


Granted, some traditional Catholics seem to make these things a part of their salvation. But I've known many who see them as many Protestants view grace before meals, daily devotions, praying the Lord's Prayer during a worship service, having weekly offerings, etc. We don't believe we're saved by such practices.

--The belief in purgatory as a place intermediate between heaven and hell, and the belief that the living can pay money (indulgences) and say prayers to get their dead loved ones moved from purgatory to heaven (the Bible teaches only heaven or hell after death, based solely on whether the person, while alive, repented of their sins and trusted Christ as the perfect sacrifice for our sins and the Savior who was crucified and buried and rose again that believers would have eternal life).

-The belief that a lay person must confess his sins to a priest to receive forgiveness (the Bible teaches that we have immediate, continuous access to God Himself through prayer).


This is a Catholic doctrine, but I've known many Catholics, & don't know one who believes you absolutely must go to a priest for forgiveness. They'd tell you that's ideal, & that they do go to confession, but also believe in being able to pray on their own. I'm sure some don't fit that mold, but I know many who do.

--The belief that the above man-made doctrines supersede what is written in the Bible, and the tendency to discourage lay people from reading the Bible for themselves (the Bible stresses over and over the importance of studying, meditating on, and following God's Word, which is the sole authority and must not be changed, added to, or taken away from).

Catholics today are much less likely to be discouraged from becoming Bible students with even the late John Paul II, e.g., encouraging such study. As for the place of man-made doctrines in the Catholic Church, I agree with you, but realize that many of them would also agree with us if they saw the issue as we do. Catholics speak not only of doctrine, but dogma (basically doctrine but not officially so yet believed by many Catholics for centuries. For example, the immaculate conception of Mary, which you speak of. It has only been an official doctrine for Catholics since the 1850's, but Catholic writings show it was a commonly held dogma for centuries before that. So Catholics don't see dogma as man-made, just not something a good Catholic must believe to be in good standing, akin to what we label non-essential doctrines. Tradition is another source of belief for Catholics, & again, they don't see it as, ultimately man-made, but given to the Church by the Spirit over the centuries, & some traditions are extremely ancient. Just as those of us who prefer a musically blended worship service which honors what the Holy Spirit has given the church musically over the years rather than just long ago or just recently, Catholics see tradition as continuing to honor what the Lord has revealed to the church in the past. Again, I agree with you that there are numerous man-made doctrines in the Catholic Church as a result, but realize they don't tend to see it that way.

Martin Luther's realization of these and other key differences between Catholic doctrine and Bible truth are what led to the Protestant Reformation and translation of the Bible into common languages so that the lay person could read and understand Scripture for themselves.

As long as a person repents of their sins and trusts Christ as their personal Savior, they are saved and cannot lose their salvation, regardless of what church they attend. There are believers within the Catholic Church, but the doctrine that church teaches makes it difficult to have clear understanding of the Gospel of grace

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 04:37 PM

Thanks, Joel, for the explanations and clarifications!

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