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#1 DonnaA

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 04:12 AM

I have often wondered if today was really Friday, or another day altogether ...

 

In today's devotional by Tozer he mentioned, "The Jews start the New Year on one date, and the Christians on another, and we cannot forget that the calendar has been pushed around quite a bit since men began to count time by years."

 

Does anyone have some insight on just how much the calendar has been "pushed around" ?  Does the true Sabbath rest now fall on a Tuesday, perhaps?  I know that we don't need to concern ourselves with days/times (Galatians 4:10, Romans 14, Colossians 2:16), but I've always been a bit curious about how much our calendar has changed since man first started counting the days, months and seasons. :)


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Posted 28 March 2014 - 05:57 AM

Well, I can only express my opinion...

 

The calendar has indeed been adapted to cultural dictates but the truth is that God could care less about how we mark time. He owns time. He is not bound by our calendars or clocks. He is not bound by our definition of size either. Big? Small? Does not impact God at all. Infinity goes all the way out and all the way in. Only God can understand this conundrum. It’s way beyond quantum physics.

 

And on the issue of the Sabbath - those who make a a religion out of what day to worship Jesus seem to need law.  Jesus Christ is our Sabbath rest. There is no ‘day’ on our calendar du jour that we are to worship Him because we are to follow and glorify Him every day. Today

 

(Colossians 2:14-16) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.

 

(Hebrews 4:1) Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it.  (4:2) For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard.  (4:3) For we who have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest:  although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.  (4:4) For he hath said somewhere of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works;  (4:5) and in this [place] again, They shall not enter into my rest.   (4:6) Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter thereinto, and they to whom the good tidings were before preached failed to enter in because of disobedience,  (4:7) he again defineth a certain day, Today, saying in David so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before), Today if ye shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts. (4:8) For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.  (4:9) There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.  (4:10) For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.  (4:11) Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.  (4:12) For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and quick to discern the thoughts and intents of the heart. 

 

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 07:50 AM

And on the issue of the Sabbath - those who make a a religion out of what day to worship Jesus seem to need law.  Jesus Christ is our Sabbath rest. There is no ‘day’ on our calendar du jour that we are to worship Him because we are to follow and glorify Him every day. Today

 

 

 

Well said!  I stumbled across a website yesterday where they were teaching that the "mark of the beast" was worshiping on Sunday, rather than Saturday. :(

 

I don't see how true believers can limit their worship to just one day a week ..... 

 

Thank you for your input, Meema.  :wub:


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we are persecuted but not abandoned; we are struck down but not destroyed.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 08:09 AM

 

I don't see how true believers can limit their worship to just one day a week ..... 

 

 

 

For me personally, worship is that which is done 24/7

 

A verse I often think about concerning the Sabbath day is this one

 

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:  Mark 2:27

 

Which to me indicates that man is in need of one day out of seven for him/her as a day of rest. I respect places like Chik Fil A which close their business one day a week in order to allow their employees an opportunity to worship if they so desire but also to rest from their past six days of labor 

 

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 11:35 AM

I have to say I am always amazed by the dogma that people consciously choose to allow themselves to be bound up by. However, what I know about human nature is that certain personality types need to compartmentalize their religion because they cannot  be comfortable saying, “I don’t know” and so they will go to great lengths to interpret Scripture to fit their determinations so they can be satisfied that they have all the answers. Personally I am very happy to wait for some things to be explained.  :) 

 

Many a denomination has been started by nothing more than the determinations of one individual and somehow many folks follow. In the modern age, to follow or not is often dependent on how many books the leader has authored. Credibility comes with ease of access.

 

I’ve had in depth exchanges with those who have elevated the day of the week to worship as the condition of being a ‘true and proper Christian’ - then there are those who reject the day of the week as important but still believe we should keep the Feasts. Those who require a certain way to eat or dress. Those who have made a religion out of signs and wonders. Those who believe all will be saved in the end so it doesn't really matter. Those who argue over what combination of letters is really God’s name that He must be called. Does that mean God only speaks Hebrew? Those who cannot grasp the concept that the last Temple has already been rebuilt, though not with hands, or that the right to be called God’s Chosen is an invitation open to all now, including those of the original tribes. No Greek, no Jew, no slave, no freeman, no man, no woman...

 

I observe with fascination as people make it so much more complex than it has to be and will go to great lengths to defend their complicated convictions as though it is their theology, not Christ crucified, that guarantees their salvation. I refer to this as much-striving. Sometimes I think it grieves God like it would a parent watching a child do everything he/she can to avoid doing the one thing he/she should. 

 

I don’t argue though. It is pointless. I ask questions instead, knowing there will be no resolution but hope it gives pause and might inspire some independent Bible reading and research. This is how I sow.

 

LIke:

 

When Hezekiah destroyed Moses 700 year old brazen serpent (2 Kings 18:1-5) was it because he was tired of it and wanted to make a new one or because the Israelites had made an idol of it? If God didn’t mind an ancient artifact to be destroyed to make a point about the dangers of making an idea or thing into a substitution for God, did He make His point? If so, why do people still do it?

 

(2 Kings 18:1) Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign.  (18:2) Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem: and his mother's name was Abi the daughter of Zechariah.  (18:3) And he did that which was right in the eyes of Jehovah, according to all that David his father had done.  (18:4) He removed the high places, and brake the pillars, and cut down the Asherah: and he brake in pieces the brazen serpent that Moses had made; for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it; and he called it Nehushtan.  (18:5) He trusted in Jehovah, the God of Israel; so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor [among them] that were before him.  (18:6) For he clave to Jehovah; he departed not from following him, but kept his commandments, which Jehovah commanded Moses.  (18:7) And Jehovah was with him; whithersoever he went forth he prospered: and he rebelled against the king of Assyria, and served him not.  

 

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Meema