Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:38 AM
I usually enjoy reading the many ideas expressed on this forum but wonder why so many have little or nothing to do with 'the deeper life' as taught by Simpson and Tozer. I am pleased that people have a place where they can express their views or ask questions about matters of faith, but surely this should be under a different file than 'deeper life'. It is not my intention to minimise these views but would really like to see Alliance pastors/ members contributing a lot more than at present.
Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:59 PM
At first I didn't quite know what to think about your post so I went to your web site and learned more about you and your life. My computer isn't working properly so I wasn't able to listen to the whole sermon "Show me Your Glory" but it touched my spirit as did the couple Soap Box letters I read. I think you can tell the people who have posting on this site are hungry and on fire for our Lord. Perhaps you think we are getting off track by exposing ourselves to each other, I don't know. I do know we are seeking a deeper life with our Lord and Savior and by loving and accepting each other His commandant is becoming manifest. With that said, I would love to have more pastors/members contribute to our content. And I have wondered why more people don't. Perhaps the Lord wants people to do His work in person at the local church.
I realize you are retired but if you want to guide us into a deeper life discussion, I know it would be a blessing. God Bless you, Betsy
Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:53 PM
I a nutshell, I can see how threads and posts from each and every brother and sister in Christ is aiming directly at living the Deeper and all consuming life. I want Jesus to so fully fill and consume me with love for Him that I wake up in the mornings with a song in my heart and even on my lips! We have each other, we Christians. And some of us don't have a local fellowship where we can discuss our concerns so we share them with each other. But I can see where your coming from. When I first joined the Froum, I figured that the Deeper Life would mainly be quotes from a Tozer book or a Simpson book, or a Charles Finney book (I HAD to throw him in there since he wasn't a CMA member. Like I'm not. If we had a CMA church in my town...I'd be the first one to join, as I really like their interdenominational stance. It's all about carrying the great news of the reconciliation to God that has been implemented (for lack of a much better word) by Christ and His sufferings, death, burial, and resurrection.
And lastly, I do think that there should probably be an extra sub-forum added for certain topics. I can't think of one right off. But the Deeper Life forum is where we all meet. And I have learned SO MUCH from the members here on how to have a deeper walk with our Saviour AND Lord.
Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:21 PM
I certainly need to consider my posts before the LORD each and every time. I will post here for deeper life only unless a moderator wants to suggest something for us all.
I believe it is a type of fellowship on this forum that is missing for many here. Please suggest another forum? Any pastor who visits is someone I'd like to hear from as well.
I'm sorry to have offended you; hope I have not offended anyone else here. If I have, I am really sorry and need to know.
Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:56 AM
I wish to echo the others regarding our use of this section; indeed, I believe helping each other conquer sin is an element of seeking the deeper life. Certainly, Tozer and Simpson spoke about sin!
However, if you mean we are not focusing more on diving into the deeper things of the Spirit, I would say that you will find a group here that is willing and able to do that! We love the Lord and are ready to have some discussions with you! Moreover we would enjoy it! We look forward to hearing what you might like to discuss.
In Christ--my only hope for grace,
Posted 17 December 2012 - 03:59 PM
Thank you for looking at my web page - I hope you found it interesting. You will have seen that I have a passion for the 'deeper life' as I believe it was taught by Simpson and Tozer, and fear that we dilute that message when we collect so many other thoughts, ideas, opinions, under its banner. Though I am an ordained C&MA pastor (retired) it has been my privilege to speak/teach in many other churches and countries. I consider myself a Kingdom Believer, rather than 'Alliance', having regard for people of many denominational persuasions, though holding to a (fairly) clear doctrinal position myself, very close (identical?) to that of our Alliance forefathers.
I would be greatly honoured to lead into a discussion on the deeper life as taught by Simpson and Tozer, acknowledging the moderator's right to edit it as you will.
Rejoicing in His mercies,
Posted 17 December 2012 - 04:31 PM
In 1905 Simpson wrote a long article for the Alliance magazine, Living Truths, on the subject of The Baptism of the Holy Spirit, A Crisis or an Evolution. He concluded: "The truth I have been endevoring to demonstrate is intensely practical. So long as people think they have it all, there is little incentive to rouse themselves and claim their full inheritance, but when God's people see that like Israel of old, they are still toiling in the wilderness under His displeasure, that they are neglecting a great salvation, that they are out of fellowship with Christ and grieving the Holy Ghost, motive is supplied of overwhelming power and they are led to a heart searching, humiliation and unceasing prayer, and a new impulse comes into their lives like a great tidal wave over the ocean of love, and an experience comes to the soul as much higher than conversion as conversion was better than the old life of flesh and sin. This is the deepest need of the church today. One such consecrated, Spirit-filled life means a score of souls for God. 'Let us therefore fear lest the promise being left us of entering into His rest any of you should seem to come short of it.'"
Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:08 PM
Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:12 PM
I'm reading "He Holds our Tomorrows", and enjoying it very much. It's a blessing and full of truth. Thank you for interceding here, I still have much to learn and experience. I look forward to more maturing until His work is done in me. In Christ, bets
Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:10 PM
I'm glad your enjoying the book on Faith. Interestingly, today's A B Simpson devotional emphasises the same truth as I try to do in my book. The Faith that pleases God has its source in Him, not in us. My favorite verse is Gal 2:20 as the KJV expresses it (correctly I believe) - I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:08 PM
Another part of your book I really liked was when you explained the 3 stages of a maturing Christian. It helped me look at where I am and gave me direction where to proceed. Blessings Bets
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 02:25 PM
It was my understanding when I first became a believer that I received the Holy Spirit upon confession of faith after believing and receiving Christ as Savior. I've heard of the second blessing, baptism of the Spirit, etc. I'm not sure what to think. I wonder if it's possible to prove the differences scripturally. My pastor and I spoke about this just weeks ago and he indicated what my original understanding was is what his understanding is too.
So, you're saying that you can believe and receive and not have the Holy Spirit? Then what is receive? Or, is it: 1) believe only or 2) believe and receive?